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‘2nd and 3rd generations are the most loyal to their Czech heritage’ / ‘3. a 4. generace Cechu jsou temi nejvetsimi patrioty’

Hello to all,

To spice it up, I have a  bit different post for you today. Posh Parker is a British reporter who lived in Czechland for some time and managed to write a very good book about it (it’s called Bus to Bohemia). Anyhow, this was one of the reader’s response to it…VERY INTERESTING! Looking forward to those comments, guys!

CZ: Zdravim! Abych vam to poctenicko trosku okorenila, tak pro vas vam dneska neco trosku jineho. Posh Parker je britsky reporter, ktery zil nejaky ten patek v Cechach a napsal o jeho zazitcich vybornou knihu zvanou “Bus to Bohemia”. Jeden z ctenaru teto knihy mu poslal velmi zajimavy email a ja jsem si ho s jeho dovolenim dovolila publikovat. Je to opravdu VELMI zajimavy dopis a uz se tesim na diskuzi!!!

‘Hi Mr Parker,

I recently finished reading your book, and I have to say it was very enjoyable, and it did bring out some different emotions. Let me give you some of my background – so this will help put into perspective my reaction to your book.

I was born in the Czech Republic in 1945, in 1948 my father being a staunch anti communist, was given about 12 hours warning that after the takeover he as going directly to Siberia, so we left in the middle of the night and spent 18 months in various prisons and DP camps in Germany, we arrived in the US in August of 1949, when I was 4 years old.

So, all my schooling was in the US, so I am an American, who just happened to be born in the Czech Republic. I do speak the language fluently, and have gone back there with tour groups at least 50 times.

My parents being very nationalistic, taught me to be proud of my heritage, which I am. As you know from your own experiences – the Czechs have some very endearing qualities, and some disappointing qualities.

I felt a little “crushed” when I read the last chapter. And I thought to myself – why? Here is a non Czech giving up on the country because of his frustrations with the Czech people. This is not to say you did anything wrong, what you really did was see the truth of the Czech people (of course not all of them) . Their petty jealousies and their hang ups with money and social status. I overcame my disappointment with the last chapter after I gave it more thought. I realized sometimes it hurts to hear the truth. I totally agree that the Czech’s lost two generations to the communist mentality — the whats in it for me — how can I cheat the system — why should I do any more than I have to, etc….. we can go on with more negative traits that were ingrained during communism.

I have been involved with the Czech community here in Chicago for many years. My perceptions on the Czechs are: the 2nd and 3rd generations are the most loyal their Czech heritage (they don’t know better?)
The immigrants from 1945 to 1955, are solid hard working and loyal — but don’t always get along with other Czech organizations (petty jealousies are already showing up), the 1968 crowd I can’t put a handle yet, the 1980 to 1989 crown has no interest whatsever to get involved with local Czech organizations. The post 1990 crowds are here – but they assimilated into American society and appear to have no interest in anything Czech. My limited experience with them have left me disappointed in my Czech heritage – probably too much communist mentality was ingrained.

I also very much enjoyed your tour guiding experiences. I must qualify that I take the opposite approach from Morons Abroad. I use only 4 star hotels, in the city center and include all the services. But then I have to convince my potential clients. that they get what they pay for, I have some competition that beats me to death with prices but their marketing strategy is similar to Morons Abroad. You have some great stories about your tour members, I may have some that are equally hilarious – especially from 1974 to 1989, while we had to put up with the communist bullshit.

Let me end with a little story. I married a lady from Brno about 6 years ago. A client of mine (Jan Honner)
informed me that his mother- in law was coming for a visit -and he wanted me to meet her…..I put him off for 2 years because I was recently widowed. Finally in 1995, we met, fell in love and were married, and she did not speak a word of English. So Jan Honner is my step-son-in-law. The other part of this story is — I can trace my roots to a small village, Bucek, (about 20 miles northeast of Plzen), back to 1455, I have documents showing the first Rabas showed up there about that time, they were millers, the mill operated till about 1920. I can do a direct lineage to 1704, that’s pretty neat. Last year my last uncle on the Rabas side passed away, so I inherited the original family “estate”. Now for the punchline, — I suggested to my wife that we could retire in Bucek and open up a hospoda,…. her reaction was “ty vole”, and then something in Czech that sounded like “don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way there” For someone who lived there for 50 years, I wanted to get her reaction – so I told her about the storyline of your book.
She just smiled, shook her head and said “ma pravdu”.

Sorry to ramble and make this so long, but after all my rambling —- “good job”, it was a great read!’

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14 comments… add one
  • Vlastimil February 3, 2011, 5:54 am

    I would say so: the 2nd and later generation of ‘Czechs’ abroad are not the most loyal to their heritage. They are the most curious about their heritage. We know where came from. Nobody can bullshit us. They don’t.
    They have rather idealistic view on the live in the Czech republic having their ATM or Visa card ready to stick to so many ATMs available across the Czech Vally. I have no reason telling my kids “it was sooooooo great in the Czech, it is sooooooooo pitty we don’t live there.”
    Czechs were a GREAT nation before the battle of “Bila Hora”…. then it went downhill.. I am proud of my “before – Bila-Hora” heritage.. Can we go back there????? BTW, do I have any of that heritage left in my blood??

  • Scott Phillips February 3, 2011, 7:11 am

    I am a third-generation Czech descendant. First I will admit I have yet to be blessed to be able to set my feet in my homeland, but it is my number one dream right now. My great grandfather left Bohemia for the United States when he was young along with his parents brothers and sister. He was a vehemant nationalist and was very involved in the Cleveland Czech community with the Free Thinkers movement, organizing Czech laborers, and with promoting a free Bohemia.

    My grandmother, on the other hand, refused to teach me Czech saying I would never have any use for it. However she spoke it, spoke it with all the relatives, and was intensely proud of being Czech including teaching us traditions and cooking. I have wonderful memories of times spent with our huge Czech family as a child.

    My mother is deeply proud of her Czech roots, was just noted for her historic Czech roots by the Czech and Slovak Genealogical Society International, and is obviously of good Czech stock being 90 and still going strong!

    Me … I am working to learn as much as I can of the history of my homeland and family. I have traced them to the mid-1600’s with the Knechtl family from Nenacovice and the Vichas from Rataje and Milevsko. I continue to learn more about our Bohemian roots and the history of this amazing land.

    I pray that the current generations of Czechs can rekindle the flames of their proud past.

    Scott Phillips

  • Angel February 3, 2011, 8:20 am

    Vlastimil – What would say is the best website to learn about Czech/Bohemian Heritage? I was raised not knowing my heritage. I guess I’ll also be looking at the Battle of Bila Hora, never heard of it.

    Thanks for the post.

  • Simone February 3, 2011, 10:41 am

    Dear Mr. Parker,

    I come from a very good Czech Family. My father was a scientist whose first job after his doctorate from Charles University was under Dr. Wichterle in Prague. I myself was born there and came to the USA in 1968 with my parents after the Russian Occupation of Czechoslovakia. My parents had both been imprisoned for their beliefs under the totalitarian regime and so they thought best to seek a better life.
    I was raised to be proud of my heritage and never forgot the language. After communism fell I even lived there for two years, so I can very well relate to your book, as well as the times that you were there.

    However….we must be very careful to generalize or stereotype any country. Not all Czech are as you describe, nor would I even say the majority. They don’t all hang out in pubs, smoke pot and are dishonest to the core. I actually met very few that really were like that. I live in the states now and if I chose to write a book about my experience amongst the “Rednecks of America in the deep south”
    those who never set foot upon the land would be petrified. I would be telling the truth off course but they would be my narrow experiences in one area of society. There are plenty of honest, intelligent classy people in the Czech lands and they don’t all wake up thinking who should I screw (literally) today.

  • Tom Blaha February 3, 2011, 12:35 pm

    I am a 3rd generation American; my Czech ancestors (Blaha, Kliment, Cipra, Horak) all came to Ohio in the 1860’s. I am very interested in learning about all things Czech, and have visited CZ both before and after the “regime change.” (1983 and 2004). I enjoy and take pride in the Czech culture and ethnic “personality” irrespective of “political influence.”

  • Tanja February 3, 2011, 2:20 pm

    To Vlastimil: good point, they are most curious about their herritage – ‘curious’ is a good word. For them the country looks kind of nostalgically flawless. I even experience that feeling if I don’t go back for couple of years, remember the good things and forget the rest.

    To Scott: It continues to amaze me how some grandparents did not want to teach their children/grandchildren the language but then some did. Where was the dividing line? From what readers have been telling me it looks like the grandmas who were against learning their offspring Czech were the majority.

    To Simone: I completely agree with you, you cannot put all Czechs into just one pile (kind) of people – it’s like with every nationality.
    To Tom: would you be interested in writing a guest post comparing the two trips? Before the Wall fell down and after? That would be great!
    To Angel: I suggest you hang around this site and you will learn a lot about your heritage 😉

  • Scott Phillips February 3, 2011, 4:40 pm

    To Tom: What part of Ohio?

    To everyone: There are some very interesting oral histories recorded and being recorded by the National Czech and Slovak Museum and Library (http://www.ncsml.org). They span different generations and are very interesting stories of Czechs and Slovaks who left for the States. Worth a listen in my estimation. Their journal, Slovo, also has some excellent articles in it and I say this in spite of the fact that they have published my work there 🙂

    Right now I am reading The Czech Reader and finding it an excellent book.

    Scott

  • Vlastimil February 4, 2011, 12:03 am

    Angel,
    regarding the Battle of Bila Hora…. se this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE–cd-hS4E

  • Eva Z February 4, 2011, 10:43 am

    I am actually surprised where he came up with the fact that the people that came here in eighties, nineties and later do not want to do anything with Czechs or Czech organizations. I know so many Czechs that do, I have a group of almost 100 of them, etc. and I’d say that most of us came to the US in that time period. And they are all great people…

  • Marika February 7, 2011, 9:38 pm

    I don’t think it is only 2nd or 3rd generation of Czechs that are interested in their heritage. I have many 2nd generation of friends from other countries: Poland, Hungary, Germany, etc…. who are very curious about their heritage as well. Sometimes they are not very realistic but oh well, everyone is entitled to their dream:)

  • Posh February 20, 2011, 6:33 pm

    This is a nice meander around the Czech … meaning …

    Simone, if you read the book then you will see how much I liked you crazy Czechs. Of course there are bad people there, just like everywhere, but the negatives will always spoil a dream. The story is as I saw it and it is very honest. As someone told me, “brutally honest”, and the man in the letter acknowledged that truth can often hurt.

    Pozdrav!

  • Tanja April 22, 2011, 9:15 pm

    Hi Posh Parker just sent me his interview with the Czech press if you were interested:http://www.rozhlas.cz/radiozurnal/zzz/_zprava/875621

  • Monica June 7, 2011, 4:29 am

    Hi all, my name is Monica from Indonesia
    My mom : Vera Grossova is from Czech
    I’m so proud to be half Czech !!
    I can also talk in Czech language, but can’t write in Czech 🙂
    Right now i’m looking for my anchestors and all i’ve got from my mom is only my grandfather’s name, birth, marriage and death date.

  • Tanja June 7, 2011, 8:54 am

    Ahoj Moniko, Half Indonesian and halp Czech – that is a very exotic combination!
    As far as finding your relatives, the fact that you post that quest on the Forum helps a lot but you should also read this article:
    http://czechmatediary.com/2011/05/19/how-scott-found-his-czech-ancestors/

    Hodne stesti!
    PS: Is your mom still alive?

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